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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1035 on: March 07, 2012, 07:49:28 PM »
I'm registered as an independent, my vote goes the way of the issues that are important to me.  But, these Republicans are making idiots out of themselves and their party.  I blame Sarah Palin and the Tea Partiers.  I saw on Facebook the other day a quiz called, "Who said it: Mr Burns or Mitt Romney?"
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1036 on: May 09, 2012, 09:42:52 AM »
I am seriously disappointed in my state! :(

I thought that this graphic was interesting, but really done well since you can't quite see the red (which is really all the places with the highest college education).

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1037 on: May 09, 2012, 09:50:24 AM »
I am seriously disappointed in my state! :(

Did you expect anything different? If a Constitution amendment to ban gay marriage can pass in California, it's a slam dunk in NC.

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1038 on: May 09, 2012, 09:57:36 AM »
Nope, not surprised, just disappointed.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1040 on: May 09, 2012, 11:04:21 AM »
Last night the Colorado House let 30 bills die because they refused to debate a measure to allow civil unions.  Some procedural rule meant that because they didn't get to that one, 30 other bills - stuff like water projects and other important measures - were just allowed to die.

It makes me sad and angry that people are still so archaic in their thinking. I hear all the arguments about how the Bible says this and blah blah blah and all I can think is that these same arguments were used 50 years ago to keep interracial marriage illegal. It didn't hold water then, and it doesn't hold water now.

Sigh. I keep thinking once all the old fogies die off and we get some new blood in our legislatures, things will change. But ignorance and intolerance have no age limit, evidently.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1041 on: May 09, 2012, 01:19:29 PM »
Preach it. I'm with you, sister.  bighugsicon

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1042 on: May 09, 2012, 01:59:10 PM »
Well that's annoying.  Had typed a reply, went to look for a video I referenced and now what I typed is gone :( It'll be hard to explain to kids, etc why people were against this for so long.  Opinion has already moved from 2-1 against marriage equality to even split.  As for the Bible's opinion there's a very good video Dan Savage linked to in his article a few weeks ago.  That's what killed the last post.  Search for "the gay debate the bible and homosexuality" by Matthew Vines.  It's like an hour long as he very thoroughly explains the context of biblical passages cited against gays.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1043 on: May 09, 2012, 02:49:36 PM »

It makes me sad and angry that people are still so archaic in their thinking. I hear all the arguments about how the Bible says this and blah blah blah

Not to mention that last time I checked, we have separation of church and state in America. We don't legislate based on the bible or any other religious dogma. In other words, if your religion proscribes gay marriage, don't do it. Boom. Problem solved.

Moreover, the idea that gay marriage threatens the 'sanctity' of heterosexual marriage is insane to me. (Case in point: Kim Kardashian was legally married.  ::))

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all I can think is that these same arguments were used 50 years ago to keep interracial marriage illegal. It didn't hold water then, and it doesn't hold water now.

I was just speaking to my daughter about how when her (future) kids are grown up, it will seem as unfathomable that gay marriage was illegal as segregation laws, etc. now do to us.

It's about so much more than an abstract principle or a wedding cake - its about disenfranchisement from so many rights/benefits of marriage re: tax law, custody/child support concerns, health/other insurance, inheritance, laws about medical decisions, etc., etc.
   

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1044 on: May 09, 2012, 04:34:54 PM »
Not to mention that last time I checked, we have separation of church and state in America. We don't legislate based on the bible or any other religious dogma. In other words, if your religion proscribes gay marriage, don't do it. Boom. Problem solved.

Moreover, the idea that gay marriage threatens the 'sanctity' of heterosexual marriage is insane to me. (Case in point: Kim Kardashian was legally married.  ::))

These are my biggest arguments in support of gay marriage.  The whole argument that gay marriage should be banned because the BIBLE says marriage is between a man and a woman goes directly against the separation of church and state.  Why are we letting a religious document dictate government policy?  No one is asking lawmakers to force churches to marry homosexualy couples, but I'm sure there are plenty of judges, justices of the peace, internet ordained ministers, etc who would be more than happy to marry said couples.

And don't even get me started on the sanctity of marriage.  Not just Kim K, but Elizabeth Taylor, J Lo, Britney Spears and anyone else with either more marriages then they count on one hand or a marriage that last shorter then the shelf life of a box of cereal has done plenty to destroy the sanctity of marriage.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1045 on: May 09, 2012, 06:07:47 PM »
So have we all seen by now that Obama has come out in support of gay marriage?  :)

I personally wonder if he never really cared one way or the other, but felt he had to take the negative view for political reasons.

Hurray for my governor, John Hickenlooper!  He's calling a special session of the legislature to get those bills voted on that died last night.  I'll skip the part where it pisses me off that we, the taxpayers are now on the hook for an extra $23,000 a DAY while they DO THEIR FREAKING JOBS, and just applaud my Gov for insisting that going home and saying "Oh well" was not an option. He is a great governor - in my mind, the best of both worlds, a Democrat who's neither left nor right but moderate, and has a great business mind to boot - he practically single-handedly revitalized the downtown area with his string of brewpubs and restaurants. He's not perfect, but it's so nice to have someone in office that I actually admire.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1046 on: June 28, 2012, 07:46:51 PM »
As I'm sure everyone knows, The Affordable Care Act was passed today by the US Supreme Court! While I'm not American, I am a socialist and spent most of my undergrad with a focus of study in healthcare and politics, so I find this very exciting. I hope this is able to move forward in creating universal healthcare in the states. No matter how much I read about the opposition to it, I just can't understand the reasoning against it. Are there negatives? Sure. But the positives outweigh it beyond all measure!

So, yeah. Yay America!

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1047 on: June 28, 2012, 11:25:26 PM »
I was kinda proud of John Roberts.  He didn't go with the main argument the government used.  But he said he wants to find a way to keep laws that were passed if he can.  And by calling the fine a tax he did just that.  I'm glad that it will help people who don't have or can't get insurance.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1048 on: October 09, 2012, 07:37:29 PM »
It's the last day to register to vote here in Colorado, and probably closing in fast everywhere else too. If you're not registered, get on it before you lose your chance!
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1049 on: October 10, 2012, 03:57:45 PM »
It was the last day for Texas too.  So maybe we registered about five million Democrats to make the state competitive.  Think Romney's up 20 here.  But the good news is we get basically no ads.  A few on cable channels.

Wish there was an Office tomorrow, but looking forward to the VP debate.  Biden can go after Ryan as opposed to last time when he had to put the bridle on to avoid coming off a bully against Palin.

Anyone following the Ohio voting situation?  The Secretary of State fought to restrict early voting days and hours.  Originally he was consistently voting to deny hours (i.e. only regular business hours) in Democratic leaning counties while allowing them in Republican leaning counties (i.e. late nights and weekends).  After getting ridiculed mercilessly (deservedly so IMHO) he reversed course and restricted voting hours for everyone.  Now that the federal courts have demanded the removed early voting days be restored he is appealing and thus no one knows when early voting will be ended (it is already under way I believe).

Then there's Pennsylvania which passed a voter ID law they concede does not combat any existing fraud, nor would it be effective in combatting fraud if it did exist.  What it would do is disenfranchise close to one million voters.  Thousands of those in the Pennsylvania Civics Hall of Fame I believe it is called.  Basically if you vote for 50 years they recognize your participation.  Just that they now don't believe you're the same person you were in the last election.  Again a federal court declared the law as implemented right now illegal (there's nowhere near enough time to get IDs to the people who need them).  Only problem is they began advertising the need for photo ID and are not prepared to counteract that, nor to remove misinformation from official web pages and phone numbers until confronted with the errors.
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