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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1050 on: October 10, 2012, 08:11:19 PM »
I'm proud to say my daughter finally got her new FL driver's license and registered to vote this week. She was totally bummed that they took her MA license though.   :D

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1051 on: October 10, 2012, 08:15:37 PM »
But the good news is we get basically no ads.  A few on cable channels.

Color me jealous. We are a battleground state and we are being BLITZED with ads. It's horrendous. I cannot wait for the election just so I won't have to see this every minute of the day anymore. Honestly, I'm thinking there should be a limit on how many minutes per hour can be devoted to political advertising.

The blatant attempts to control the voting in potential swing states makes me sick. This is a freaking democracy, is it not? (Well, no, it's a republic, but let's not get caught up in all that :D)  But it's an outrage.  What's next, we call in the UN to observe our elections??
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1052 on: October 11, 2012, 08:56:56 AM »
I can personally vouch for your blitzing.  We were in CO in August and the difference couldn't be more stark.  Did you know the real ads are cheaper than the Super PAC ads?  Actual "I support this message" ads straight from the campaign get the lowest possible rate, but the harsher super PAC ads don't.  Networks charge their normal rate.

As you likely guessed the needless efforts to disenfranchise people really set me off too.  If you only win by locking citizens out of voting then you have no business winning.  Come up with better ideas or better explanation for the ideas you have.  It has to be right at the top of reasons I vote Republican far less than I used to.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1053 on: October 11, 2012, 01:45:05 PM »
I find the voting registration debacle really interesting. I majored in poli sci, but we never talked about how you register to vote. It was all about gerrymandering and implementation of policies. :)

Anyway, I live in Norway, and we have a very different system when it comes to voting procedures. For instance, you have to bring ID when you're going to vote because the law states that you have to prove who you are, and there's no need to register to vote as you're automatically registered to vote when you're a citizen or have lived in the country for a certain time.

I realise that the voting procedures are different in every state, but how and where do you register, and what happens on election day? Do you show up to vote and tell them your name? Don't you have to show some kind of ID when you're putting your vote in the ballot box? I do not support the Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters, but I'm interested in how it works in the different states seeing that it's so different from what I'm used to in this country. :)
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1054 on: October 11, 2012, 06:12:49 PM »
The short version is you do have to register.  In some states it is very easy.  When you go to get an ID for example you can register there.  As we mentioned earlier in some states you have to register in advance of an election you want to vote in.  In others you can show up on election day and register and vote at the same time. 

The registration rolls have data about you that you have to provide the poll worker.  You can bring an ID, but in most cases it's not required.  States where Republicans won in 2010 have passed laws requiring government photo ID to vote.  They claim to fear impersonation as you suggest.  They have never proved any meaningful amount of impersonation fraud.  Something like 10 cases nationwide in a decade.  The bigger problem, such as one exists, is in absentee voting and the registration process itself.  The absentee ballot could be intercepted and filled out by someone other than the proper voter (assuming there even is a proper voter).  Pepole who register voters can make up fake people.  Worse they can refuse to turn in registration for people who sign up for the opposite party.  So if a Republican registrar talks to you and you say you want to register as a Democrat they could (though it's illegal) refuse to do it.  Or even more nastily they can take your information and then not do anything with it.  So you would leave thining you'd registered.  Then when you show up on election day you aren't on the rolls and can't vote.

The problem with requiring ID is in getting the ID that is required.  In Pennsylvania, for example, there are several counties with one or zero offices.  Some offices are only open one day a month.  Though the ID is free the documents you need aren't.  A friend used to live in Pennsylvania and was turned away because he didn't have his marriage license.  What that had to do with his registration no one knows.  Add to that the problem for older voters.  Some of them do not have required documents.  If they don't drive anymore they may not be able to get an ID.  Documents you need to get an ID are different from when they first registered.  For example they may need a birth certificate, or letter from the doctor.  When they were 20 the doctor was probably still alive.  If you're 90 the doctor probably isn't alive anymore, nor are your parents.  If you were born in a rural area, or if you are a minority you very well may not have a proper birth certificate.  Oh and the South in particular actually has federal legislation barring changes to voting laws without express authorization.  They well and truly earned that roadblock by systematically disenfranchising minorities (typically African Americans) for let's say 100 years after they were forbidden by federal law from doing that.  So Texas for example (where I live) had its law blocked on that ground.

So in summary as the evidence currently sits the cure is worse than the disease.  To prevent 10 national cases of voter fraud they're effectively knocking tens of millions of voters off the rolls if their policies are implement nationwide.  Like cutting off your arm to prevent a papercut on your finger.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1055 on: October 11, 2012, 08:13:39 PM »
Yeah, the voter registration "anti-fraud" nonsense  is clearly no more than a blatant attempt to manipulate the votes in swing states, and everyone knows it. I thought the courts in PA threw it out? I don't know.

It's pretty easy to register in Colorado - you can do it online with your name and address (you have to re-register to update your information if you move), driver's license and social security number. Easy peasy. One thing they have done here that I love is the mail-in ballot - you can sign up to be permanently on mail-in and they'll send you a ballot for every election. SO convenient! I'm still waiting for mine for the upcoming election; I just got the blue booklet that outlines all the ballot measures. Something I need to peruse over the next couple of weeks.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1056 on: October 12, 2012, 09:54:04 AM »
The courts ruled the law could not be implemented for this election.  They didn't strike the law down.   They agreed there wasn't enough time to get IDs to the people who "need" them.  The court said poll workers can ask for ID but you can vote without it.  So a voter in line will still see and hear requests and compliance with ID. Which could cause them to falsely correlate a requirement and this get out of line.  All the more likely given the advertising the state did.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1057 on: November 07, 2012, 01:47:57 AM »
Congratulations to Barack Obama!  Congratulations also to the states who recognized the marriage rights of same sex couples.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1058 on: November 07, 2012, 09:08:37 AM »
And congrats to Tammy Baldwin for being the first openly gay Senator!
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1059 on: November 07, 2012, 12:36:46 PM »
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Congratulations to Barack Obama!  Congratulations also to the states who recognized the marriage rights of same sex couples.

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And congrats to Tammy Baldwin for being the first openly gay Senator!

Yes, yes, and yes!! Also, looking forward to the hush that will fall over my TV now that all the political commercials are gone. How refreshing it will be to see commercials for, you know, consumer goods and services. :)
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1060 on: November 07, 2012, 03:15:50 PM »
How refreshing it will be to see commercials for, you know, consumer goods and services. :)

Maybe that's why the election is in November..... so you're not upset when you're bombarded by Christmas commercials. ;)
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1061 on: November 07, 2012, 07:11:35 PM »
Also, looking forward to the hush that will fall over my TV now that all the political commercials are gone. How refreshing it will be to see commercials for, you know, consumer goods and services. :)

No kidding. Never thought I'd be so grateful to go back to ads for Viagra and car insurance.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1062 on: November 08, 2012, 09:48:04 AM »
This made me laugh.  laughingicon

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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1063 on: November 08, 2012, 02:29:16 PM »
Indeed.  Sorry to have skipped over Tammy.  Was also glad to see so many crazies bounced.  Legitimate rape, pregnancies never endanger a mother's health (special bonus crazy here "real war heroes don't talk about their military service") there are 80 communists in Congress, God wanted you pregnant from that rape.  All are looking for new work today and that is wonderful news.  If only Bachmann could have lost.  Always 2014 I guess.
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Re: Politics #2: Do You Want to Form an Alliance?
« Reply #1064 on: November 08, 2012, 05:46:54 PM »
funky, that's hilarious! :D

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Amen to that!

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