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Summary: How a little courage and honesty finally gave them both what they wanted.
Categories: Jim and Pam, Present, Past, Episode Related
Characters: Ensemble, Jim/Karen, Jim/Pam
Genres: Angst, Inner Monologue, Romance
Warnings: Adult language, Mild sexual content
Series: None
Chapters: 10 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 31928 Read Count: 71071 ePub Downloads: 10
[Report This] Published: April 28, 2008 Updated: September 25, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: September 22, 2008 Title: Chapter 8: that kept so many warm

Yay Callisto!!!

 I wasn't sure if you'd get around to finishing or updating this one now that you've started school.

 But, I'm so so glad that you've updated.  I love this story.  I love your take on Jim and Pam, in general.  I haven't had time to review (or read) lately, so I'll try to make this quick.

I just love that this issue was resolved without a huge display of melodrama - just very natural.  I like that you've allowed Pam to have a real relationship with Roy. I hate to think that it was always bad - I just think the way you've described that relationship is so perfect.   And I liked that Pam is a bit protective about her relationship with Roy.   I loved this exchange:

He frowned. “But how did you keep it going so long? You didn’t have anything in common.”

“We did, though.” I sat up a little. “Not like you and I do, but…we grew up in the same neighborhood. We went to the same church. His dad and my dad knew each other—his dad’s in construction, and my dad’s an electrician, you know, so they sometimes worked on the same job sites, and we were all…the same kind of people, I guess?” I sighed. “I didn’t know it could be… like this.” I gestured at the space between us. 

 

Anyway, lovely job as always. Can't wait for more.



Author's Response: zeebee, nice to hear from you as always! I have no business doing this but hey, they don\'t call it an \'obsession\' for no reason. :) As for Pam and Roy, I\'ve always felt Roy gets a bad rap. There had to have been some very good reasons she stuck with him for so long--reasons that weren\'t all about her \'fear\' and \'insecurity\' and all that. And there\'s something to be said about having a long history with somebody. Anyway, thank you so much for the review! I had absolutely given up on this story so it\'s good to know there\'s still a bit of an audience out there. Thanks!! :)

Summary: Past Featured Story“Pam and I have hurt a lot of people, but mostly we’ve hurt each other. There’s no coming back from that.”
Categories: Jim and Pam, Alternate Universe
Characters: David Wallace, Jim, Jim/Karen, Jim/Pam, Karen, Pam
Genres: Angst
Warnings: Adult language, Mild sexual content, Violence/Injury
Series: None
Chapters: 11 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 63735 Read Count: 53304 ePub Downloads: 15
[Report This] Published: May 05, 2008 Updated: July 27, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: June 23, 2008 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1

So, I just started reading this story a couple of weeks ago. I avoided this for a while, because I'm not a big fan of dark, angsty stories. But, you promised a happy ending....so, I took the plunge. Anyway, I'm glad I did.
This is really heart-wrenchingly good and addictive.

Poor, poor Jim - so self-destructive. The boy seriously needs a break. I love the interaction/relationship between Matt and Jim. I hope this is not the last we'll see or hear of Matt now that Jim is off to California. I especially loved that Matt set Jim straight with regards to Jim's idealization of his life:

“I’m thirty years old and the only person I’ve ever loved dumped me because she wanted marriage and kids and I wanted a cool apartment in the city. Don’t tell me I don’t know anything about this, Jim,” his brother warned him. “I haven’t told you about my life because I didn’t think you could handle it with everything going on.”

Stunned, he could only lay there in silence.

“It sucks, okay?” Matt continued. “It sucks that I don’t feel like I can tell my brother, my best friend, what’s going on in my life, and it sucks that things didn’t work out for me, but you know what? I’m doing what I can to make it better. Do you know what you’re doing? To everyone? Mom and Dad are furious with me for not telling them about anything, Larissa will probably never speak to me again….and do you think I asked for this? You think I wanted to be the one responsible for you? I didn’t ask for any of it, but you’re my brother. God dammit,” he cursed, shaking his head with emotion. “You’re my little brother, and I’ve had to spend every day wondering what I could do to stop you from killing yourself.”

That really killed me and showed just how self-absorbed and removed Jim has become - he doesn't know the first thing about his brother's life or anyone else's. Such a wake up call for him, I think.

Anyway, I am dying to see what Pam has been up to. I really hope she isn't going to be sad or pitiful. I'm also really curious to see how she felt about Jim just signing off on the personnel change papers when she quit without a call or a goodbye to her. That must have really hurt her! I hope she's been able to move onto better things since then.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how you get these two to work past all of the crap they've heaped on to eachother. And of course, for a happy, fluffy ending.

Please update soon!

Summary: Past Featured StoryJim, Pam, and a series of bedroom conversations.
Categories: Jim and Pam, Present
Characters: Jim/Pam
Genres: Fluff, Humor, Inner Monologue, Romance
Warnings: Moderate sexual content
Series: None
Chapters: 5 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 11819 Read Count: 36731 ePub Downloads: 5
[Report This] Published: June 16, 2008 Updated: July 16, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: June 23, 2008 Title: Chapter 1: playful

Callisto, you write my favorite Jim/Pam stories. The intimate glimpses into their relationship that we don't get to see on the show. And you write these so, so well.
These conversations are just terrific! And just so in character. This last one was really great.
Of course, their relationship isn't always fluffy and of course there are things about Jim that Pam will be irritated with and vice versa. But they also really love each other. I love that you can write about these little nuances and complexities in their relationship, without drowning us in melodrama. It just feels very real.

I can absolutely see how Pam fears that Jim will become resentful one day if he always defers to her wants and needs. I hope that Pam can tell Jim this at some point.

Again, this was really great. Please write more!

Author's Response: Zeebee, thanks so much for the kind words. To be told it feels very real is a huge compliment. I was pretty apprehensive about this chapter since it got a bit darker/moodier than I intended, but it\'s funny how these things sort of write themselves to an extent. I\'m glad you liked it. The next one feels sort of fun right now, but we\'ll see how it ends up. Thanks for reading and taking the time to share your thoughts! :)

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: July 02, 2008 Title: Chapter 4: relaxed

Callisto - this was so great. I loved the call back to ice skating, and the fact that Pam faked so that she could hold Jim's hand. And the two of them chatting it up in the car for over an hour? So totally them - I can absolutely see that happening. And how lucky is Pam getting to draw naked Jim? And, uh, the other stuff too...
Really loved this chapter. I'm sad that there is only one more of these to look forward to.

Author's Response: Thanks zeebee! I have to admit maybe the MTT background was a tad inspirational for the ice skating thing. And wouldn\'t we all want to draw naked Jim... I\'m glad you liked it! I have one more in the works, possibly two, but no promises. :) Thanks for reading and leaving your thoughts! I appreciate it.

Author's Response: Thanks zeebee! I have to admit maybe the MTT background was a tad inspirational for the ice skating thing. And wouldn\'t we all want to draw naked Jim... I\'m glad you liked it! I have one more in the works, possibly two, but no promises. :) Thanks for reading and leaving your thoughts! I appreciate it.

Author's Response: Thanks zeebee! I have to admit maybe the MTT background was a tad inspirational for the ice skating thing. And wouldn\'t we all want to draw naked Jim... I\'m glad you liked it! I have one more in the works, possibly two, but no promises. :) Thanks for reading and leaving your thoughts! I appreciate it.

Summary: Philly Jim and America's favorite pastime
Categories: Jim and Pam, Crossover, Alternate Universe
Characters: Jim/Pam
Genres: Angst, Romance
Warnings: Adult language, Moderate sexual content
Series: None
Chapters: 3 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 8434 Read Count: 3679 ePub Downloads: 0
[Report This] Published: June 20, 2008 Updated: July 02, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: July 03, 2008 Title: Chapter 3: Swing and a Miss

This is such a great, really well written AU fic. I actually have never seen Bull Durham (does that make me sound like I live in a cave?). Is it pathetic that your fic is making me want to rent the movie?
Anyway, I love "magenta whirwind" - such an apt description for Kelly. And Jim's and Pam's first interaction is so great - just the sort of immediate connection and banter, with the underlying attraction and tension, that you would expect them to have had.
Another thing - it's just so easy to visualize everything happening in this fic. I don't know if this makes sense, but I think it's because you've written all of the characters that have been introduced so far in such a spot-on way. The dialogues and descriptions of Andy and Kevin, for example, just really resonate for me. I can see them doing and saying the things you write while I'm reading the story.
This is just really refreshing. I'm amazed at the creativity some of the fic here generates using the same formula of characters and/or storylines from the show. And this is one of those times that I'm just really impressed.
Anyway, great job. This is a really fun piece. Can't wait to see where you take this.
Thanks for writing and sharing this.

Author's Response: Wow, this is a writer\'s dream review. So detailed and specific- thank you for taking the time! First off, you should definitly see Bull Durham, eventually... maybe after this fic is done, so you don\'t end up saying \"What was she thinking?\"\r\nSecondly, I completely agree about the creativity of the authors on this site. I wouldn\'t have even attempted something like this without having read awesome AUs like \'I Just Wanted to be Famous\' or \'O*F*F*I*C*E\'. I guess that\'s really a testiment to how much we all relate to these amazing characters... changing the setting or circumstances doesn\'t diminish our love for them and our connection to them. Anyway- I\'m so glad your enjoying it, keep reading and letting me know how it goes. I appreciate it.

August by Colette Rated: M [Reviews - 55] 33
Summary: The Brooklyn Bridge, a tiny elephant, dim sum, ancient Mayan princesses. Your basic Sunday in New York.
Categories: Jim and Pam, Present
Characters: None
Genres: Romance, Weekend
Warnings: Adult language, Moderate sexual content
Series: None
Chapters: 3 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 4546 Read Count: 12545 ePub Downloads: 4
[Report This] Published: June 25, 2008 Updated: June 29, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: June 26, 2008 Title: Chapter 1: Over The Brooklyn Bridge

I'm sorry I don't have time for a more thoughtful review right now, but I just wanted to say this was just lovely. I started reading fanfic on this site about a year ago and after I came upon one of your fics, I remember spending a good part of my day devouring all of the stories you had posted.
Anyway, your stories always leave a smile on my face, and this one was no exception.
Gorgeous and sexy! How I wish I were Pam...sigh.
And I love love love chinatown and dim sum, so imagine how excited I am about your next chapter!

Author's Response: Wow, how incredibly flattering. I think I'm cyber blushing ;-) Seriously, so great to hear how much you've enjoyed my fics - and I'm happy this one doesn't disappoint. Chinatown is posted and one more chapter is on the way, so stay tuned. Thanks so very much, zeebee - really appreciate your generous comments!

Philly Jim by wendolf Rated: M [Reviews - 380] 118
Summary: Past Featured StoryIs there life and love after Jam?
Categories: Jim and Pam, Present, Future, Alternate Universe
Characters: Jim, Jim/Other, Jim/Pam, Pam
Genres: Angst, Romance
Warnings: Adult language, Moderate sexual content
Series: None
Chapters: 33 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 64237 Read Count: 83852 ePub Downloads: 15
[Report This] Published: July 28, 2008 Updated: September 05, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: August 04, 2008 Title: Chapter 12: Chapter 12

Wendolf:
I don't think I'll be jumping ship on this story - even if it is killing me a little. But, seriously, I do appreciate how much care you are putting into this and I can't help it, I just need to know what happens next.

I still do like Emily - I wish I liked her a little less since I'm still upset for Pam. I like that Emily gets that she has to lighten things up a bit before getting Jim to open up. That's something that I don't think Karen got about him. The little bit about the matching underwear was really cute. I love that Karen had a bunch of those. (I like hating Karen)

I'm happy that Jim acknowledged that it would have been hard for Pam to feel like she had to always prove herself. I was thinking about that - at some point, you have to be able to stop saying sorry, you know.

So, I'll read this through the end. But, if you have Pam hook up with Toby or Ryan, I'm not going to forgive you. Kidding...sort of.

Author's Response: Don\'t worry zeebee -- I\'d NEVER have Pam hook up with Ryan or Toby. Never. ;-) Thanks for still reading, even thought it\'s killing you a little. I\'m sorry about that, I really am...

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: August 04, 2008 Title: Chapter 11: Chapter 11

Wow...you just seriously broke my heart with these two chapters. “I’m not sure that’s what love is supposed to feel like.” I have to say, I was not expecting that. My heart just hurts for Pam - like a lot. I know there was a lot of Pam-hating going on, but I have to say, I really never saw Pam as moving away from Jim. It always seemed the opposite to me - Jim not being able to handle Pam’s success - b/c of his inability to make peace with his own life, coupled with his inability to forgive her. To have him question the source of his love for her now - that just depresses me more than anything. Suddenly this doesn’t feel like a “choose your own adventure” type story anymore, but something much more inevitable.
Chapters 10 and 11 were, as always, wonderfully written, but I don’t know. It just hurt too much. I like Emily - I do - but, the part of me that loves Pam just feels so betrayed by this. I can’t imagine how awful this is for Pam - after waiting around for years for her last fiancĂ© to set a date, the man she really loves can’t propose despite having teased her about it for months. That's just got to be a punch to the gut.
I feel so depressed right now.....

Author's Response: Oh, zeebee, don\'t be sad! I swear, Pam will have a happy ending too (just maybe not spelled out in this fic . . . but hopefully it\'s coming soon). I swear, I would never leave her permanently unhappy. Here\'s what I think: by this point of my story I don\'t believe that Pam is really waiting around for Jim to propose anymore. I think she\'s okay with waiting because she\'s enjoying other parts of her life that, until this point, have been sort of ... eh. When she finds the ring she wants to know why Jim has had it for so long and hasn\'t asked, but I\'m not completely sure that she still wants him to ask (just yet). I do think they still love each other (and I do think that Jim really does love Pam -- it\'s just that his love for her has always had so much control over him. It scares him a little.). Anyway, I know it\'s hard to read, and feel free to jump ship if it gets too hard. Just know that Pam is not going to be some old cat lady regretting losing Jim for the rest of her life... I\'d never let that happen to her!

Sorry I made you so depressed. I promise it will get better!

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: July 31, 2008 Title: Chapter 9: Chapter 9

Geez, Wendolf...you're a so amazingly insightful. You are just so brilliant at capturing all the confused emotions everyone is having. I feel like it is all so much for Emily, Jim and Pam and I feel for all of them. And how do you write these things so quickly? Seriously, there's so much emotion you have to capture and you do it so well. How the hell does it come out so fast?

I so feel for Emily watching S3. My favorite parts:

After that, and after Roy’s testosterone-fueled attack, something in Jim shifts. He’s done. All playful banter with Pam subsides and I breathe a small sigh of relief because maybe that’s what it took for him to get over her.

and

Because really . . . instead of feeling happy for Pam, now I’m feeling resentful. He loves her that much? That all it took is a little carefully worded note and a yogurt lid to make him give up a big new job and a steady girlfriend?

and

I keep reminding myself that they don’t end up together ultimately. I know this. Jim and I are dating and I know Pam is not around. But still. Her ghost is sort of lingering in my apartment, haunting me. He loved her. He loved her a whole freaking lot.

Ah...so there's the jealousy. I'm so glad she's human. What a burden to carry in at the start of a relationship. Such a realistic response. Wonderful!

Jim and Pam - I gotta say, I'd be super-annoyed too if I had to hang out in Time Square on New Years. So, I feel for Jim. It would be frustrating - he wants a house and kids asap and she wants a little more time to re-live her 20's. But, then I also kind of want to kick Jim for not being able to access his playful side (that I know he has and) that I think could have fun doing this with her, and really, for her, as well.

I love these parts the best:

I didn’t know what to say to that. She had missed her 20s, spent them engaged to the wrong man living a life that didn’t suit her. But that wasn’t my fault. I started to feel defensive.

She kissed me, sort of a peck, but I caught her and pulled her closer and kissed her deeper. She kissed me back and I tasted champagne on her tongue, smelled cigarette smoke in her hair. Who is this woman? I thought. Who is Fancy New Beesly?

So, on top of all the past heartbreak he has experienced b/c she was with Roy, he still isn't done paying the price for it. I can see that being too much for him. And scared that he doesn't know who she is or that she might be changing faster than he can handle. I want to yell at him and tell him to just give her a little time and that Pam's still in there, but there's too much hurt in him to do that, isn't there?

So, so good.

Author's Response: Thanks zeebee! I don\'t want to give away too much of what\'s coming, but I really think you are getting what I\'m trying to say about Jim and what he\'s feeling. I think that more time, for Jim, will not necessarily fix the issues he has. Thanks so much for all the specifics -- you know us writers, we love that shit. (Oh, and re: Jim and NYE? Yeah, I think he tried to go along and be fun, but when your heart\'s not in it . . . ) Anyway, thanks again for reading and for the wonderful feedback! Keep it coming!

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: July 30, 2008 Title: Chapter 8: Chapter 8

Wow..another review. I hope you aren't sick of me.
I just wanted to also say that this last flashback was the most depressing of them all. I can't even pick one or two lines that struck a chord - the whole passage is just so wonderfully written and painful.
It just really resonates for me. And, to get a bit personal, this is sort of what I'm going through a little bit right now. Watching a relationship just fizzle out and going through the motions, being too exhausted to fight for it, knowing that it isn't working, confusion as to how to fix it, fear of losing it. You've captured that so perfectly here.
It's sad to see them move in together like this- for most that would be a step forward, but here it's really a step backwards. This is them really giving up, isn't it?

Author's Response: Sick of you? Are you kidding me? I live to read such helpful and specific reviews! Keep \'em coming! Yeah, I totally agree that this flashback was the most painful. They both know there\'s a problem, but they haven\'t had the experience (or maybe been together long enough) to know how to fix it. I had someone ask me if I thought they were falling out of love and I said, No. They just are falling victim to the mistakes they\'ve made in the past and continue to make. I think they love each other still . . . they just have no clue how to make it work on a practical level. Does that make sense? Anyway, thanks again. (So sorry to hear about your relationship, BTW. I\'ve been there, and it sucks.)

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: July 30, 2008 Title: Chapter 8: Chapter 8

Wow...this is just so heartbreaking. As much as I love Pam, her silence the summer before and during S3 just infuriated me. It's so sad to read that Jim couldn't get past that part of his pain. And his doubt as to whether her love for him was a more a response to his - just heartbreaking. This all plays so much into why he couldn't bring himself to propose - the nagging doubt.
But can I just say how bad I feel for Pam the character - in the same way you had to stretch for the sake of your story, I think the writer's had to draw out her cowardice for the sake of their TV season. So I had to give her a pass. But I totally understand fictional Jim's problems with her.
Love how unburdened the beginning of his relationship with Emily is. And his windering how she will react to the dvd's is adorable.
Lovely.

Author's Response: Great point, zeebee. I think you\'re totally right that TO writers did play up Pam\'s cowardice a bit and it blows that Jim had to suffer because of it. (I guess Pam had to suffer, too.) And I was TOTALLY infuriated by Pam\'s silence after she called off her wedding. Talk about suspending disbelief for a moment! I swear -- to this day that makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever (and actually makes me feel like my story isn\'t much of a stretch after all!). Anyway, thank you so much for continuing to read and review!

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: July 30, 2008 Title: Chapter 7: Chapter 7

Wendolf,
You are one of my absolute favorite authors on this site. I couldn't bring myself to read this before today, b/c of the subject matter. I'm one of those people that has a hard time separating reality and fiction when it comes to Jam. I don't love that you've had to travel over to the dark side, but since I find your writing irresistable, I gave in and read.
I have to concur with a previous reviewer, though, I really feel like I am betraying Pam by enjoying this.

I really, really like Emily. I love how Jim is falling in love with her - it feels gentle and easy. I love her reaction to the videos, by the way. The fact that her initial reaction is one of compassion, rather than jealousy really is so endearing. I like that maybe she can be the one to take care of Jim this time and help him heal. If Pam and Jim don't make it, I really hope that he would have a second chance at love like this. And Pam, too.
I’m torn about Pam. I just deleted my initial review b/c I reread the flashback scenes and think that my initial balking at how you wrote Pam was unwarranted. Part of me still doesn’t accept Pam’s changes and really, I kind of hate that she seems so fundamentally different. Especially seeing how happy she was with Jim at the end of S4. When she looks up at him right before the almost-proposal at the fireworks, you know she is totally in love with Jim. To become so distanced in 12 weeks in NY just doesn't sit well with me. I get the whole "she's going off to college" reasoning. But, she's not 18. She's pushing 30 and spent all of S3 on her own figuring out who she was. I can't see 12 weeks in NY altering all of that. I almost wish that you had taken this even more AU and got Jim and Pam together early S3 - I think it would have been easier to accept Pam's transformation knowing that this was really her first time on her own.
But then I also think about the excitement of being at Pratt, though - especially having girlfriends for the first time and having the freedom to do something she loves. It would be realistic for her to maybe resent what Scranton, not Jim, represents - all those years wasted? And also for that to really scare Jim.

There is a scene from an episode in S2 where Jim talks about what he likes about Pam - her warmth, humor, that she's easy to talk to. I think these qualities are fundamental to who Pam is. She's being written in such a different way here though. I don't recognize her as Pam in many of these passages - she feels more like Karen. Especially in this last scene where she looks at Jim with pity when he says he doesn't like his job. I’m wondering if this has more to do with the distortions in Jim’s perceptions of Pam - is this his insecurities getting the better of him? The thing is is that I love Pam as much as Jim, maybe more. It really pains me to see Pam so changed, especially when Jim is still so loveable.

Also, the whole engagement delay - not buying it. I know this has been said before, but maybe if Jim hadn't said anything about it to Pam, I could have taken that leap. But in my mind, once Pam told him she didn't want to wait, I can't see Jim backing off. I think it would have hurt Pam too much and I cannot see Jim knowingly do that. Curious to see how you write Pam's thoughts on that.

Despite these reservations, I am enjoying the story of Emily and Jim. Wierd, right? If you weren't such a gifted writer, I don't think I would be able to stick with this.

One plea - can Pam find someone really wonderful too? I need my Pam to be happy. It will hurt me less. Pretty please?

Author's Response: zeebee, thank you so much for your wonderfully detailed review. I just love the specifics, especially the parts of the story that cause you to go \"huh?\". Totally get what you\'re saying (see my chapter notes for chapter 8), but I wanted to add one thing: I\'m not sure how much Pam REALLY changed during season 3. I think we were supposed to believe that she figured out who she was, but I think she barely scratched the surface. Even at her most brave moment (on the beach), she was still sort of cowardly. So she definitely started the transformation, but (in my eyes) I don\'t think she really got a taste of what could be until a) she started dating Jim and b) she went to Pratt. But that\'s just my opinion of course ;-). (Plus, as I just said to a reviewer below: Pam \"missed\" most of her 20s while she was with Roy. I think she seemed more 30s-ish then than she probably does now! Age is more than a number -- it\'s a state of mind.)

You might be right about the convo with Jim and his job being a bit out of character... maybe she seems a little condescending there. But I really think most of that interpretation is coming from Jim\'s POV. Maybe Pam is just giving him a gentle nudge and he takes it as exasperation. (I think Pam has been shut out of his dreaming in the past -- example, her \"Oh Boy\" after their Philly Jim conversation in Local Ad -- and maybe his \"you\'re enough for me\" attitude is getting a little old?)

Lastly, re: the non-engagement. Personally, that\'s the hardest thing for me to buy, too. It would be hard to imagine him waiting, especially since he bought the ring after a week, right? But I keep thinking that when Pam returns from Pratt sort of changed, maybe he\'s waiting for a sign from her that tells him \"Okay, ask now\" and he\'s not feeling it and then all of his insecurities rear their demonic heads and . . . well, you can see where I\'m heading. Anyway, thank you sooo much for your reviews. They help a ton. (And Pam will be just fine -- don\'t you worry!)

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: August 05, 2008 Title: Chapter 14: Chapter 14

So, I'll be honest, all this fluff is a little hard to read. It's hard because I don't think we've really gotten closure with respect to Jim and Pam - are you planning on doing a flashback of the break up and last conversation?

One other thing, and I'm not really sure if this I'm being totally rational here (pms-time - little things feel like mountains, you know?), but this last chapter has me irritated by all the comparisons to Pam. I know that it's natural for Jim to compare, but really, does every memory have to be saddled with some disatisfaction or hurt on his part? Reading his thoughts on Pam, I have a hard time understanding what he seemed so joyful about during S4. Is there ever a point where he just has a pure, unburdened happy memory of their relationship? For me, at least, this is making it harder to handle the fluff.

But, if I could get over that, I think that I could really enjoy them. Because objectively, if I never knew about Pam and was reading this, I'd be smitten by the two of them together. You've given them such great chemistry.

Also, one question - how long has it been now since Jim and Pam broke up?

Author's Response: zeebee . . . I was expecting this reaction from people, actually. I knew people wouldn\'t be happy about Jim being even slightly dissatisfied with Pam (sexually speaking). And I\'m not saying that he was dissatisfied, overall. But I\'ve always struggled with the concept of Jim and Pam moving so smoothly from friends to lovers, especially from Pam\'s point of view. I imagine her being a little unsure, a little shy, maybe feeling a little weird about it all at first. And maybe Jim felt a lot of pressure and I could see their first time (or first few times) being a little awkward. I think we as fans want Jim to be like, \"Oh, Pam\'s timidness is so hot!\" But Jim\'s a guy and he\'s wanted Pam forever. And if she has any trouble transitioning to that sexual mode with him, I think he could be hurt. I\'m not saying they didn\'t have a good sex life eventually, just that maybe he wanted it to be all hot and crazy at first and it took time. I actually think this is a pretty realistic view of what could have happened (of course, all of us shippers--myself included-- like to picture them all comfortable and sexy together from the get go). And also, I think this story is about Jim looking at what didn\'t always work in their relationship -- that\'s part of breaking up. So I don\'t think he\'s going to look back at everything as roses and ponies (and neither is Pam, frankly). I wrote a fic once where Pam compares Jim to Roy in her mind (of course, Roy paled by comparison) and someone told me the same thing that you did -- that the comparisons took her out of the story. But I told her the same thing: when you spend a lot of time in a monogamous relationship and then you enter into a new one... I just think the comparisons are going to come.

As for closure and Jim and Pam -- yes, we will get it eventually. I just didn\'t want to tell the whole break up story before Emily has a chance to hear it. Just ... my own personal preference. In my mind, Jim and Pam broke up in February, so this story would take place about 5 or 6 months later, towards the end of summer.

Anyway, I hope that helps. Remember, Pam will have her turn to remember... Thanks so much for reading, still.

Summary: Past Featured StoryJim comes back, Pam's late, and it's time to talk. Takes place in the summer between S3 and S4.
Categories: Jim and Pam, Present
Characters: Jim/Pam
Genres: Romance
Warnings: Moderate sexual content, Other Adult Theme
Series: None
Chapters: 2 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 5174 Read Count: 14758 ePub Downloads: 12
[Report This] Published: July 31, 2008 Updated: August 06, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: August 06, 2008 Title: Chapter 2: Chapter 2

Oh Talkative, you make me happy! There’s just a lot of honesty in this piece and I think you’ve done such a great job capturing how complicated and painful Jim’s and Pam’s history has been for both of them.

I really like that you can show Jim and Pam, each, as flawed individuals - neither is really better than the other when it comes to their past. I like when Pam says to Jim:
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"I just -" she pauses, regroups, "watching you with Karen made me angry sometimes." She lets her arms hang at her sides. I'm standing a foot or two behind her, wanting to touch her. "Okay, this is really awful, but I was pissed off at you because I thought you were using Karen to, like, hide from me? And I thought that was really mean. I didn't get why you couldn't be honest." She turns, sits down, and looks up at me.
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As I read this, I was thinking “um, pot calling kettle black?” But, that’s so right on about what happens in a real relationship - we get caught up in our own perspective of things, and often, it’s hard to stop and watch what we’ve been doing. And I can totally relate - a lot of times when I fight/argue with my husband, I’ll be so caught up in my anger about something he’s done, and he’ll bring something up that I have done that isn’t any better, and it almost always stops me in my tracks. (I’m not sure, but I hope this makes sense)

I also really loved this:
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I don't -" she cuts herself off and sits silently for a moment. I wait. "I guess there's no point in wondering, is there? This is how it happened."
"It is." But I disagree. If there's no point in wondering, I've wasted countless hours of my life. But that's my problem, not hers, and it illustrates one of the ways in which we're very, very different people, one of the ways in which I hope we'll annoy the hell out of each other for the rest of our lives.
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I love that realization that he has. I think Pam is just more of a pragmatist - which is why she was able to let Jim go off to NY at the end of S3 without more and why she could say “we’ll always be friends” in her talking head. It isn’t that she loved him less - it’s just that she is somehow able to let go. And Jim, I think, is just more of the romantic. And maybe that is okay and in order to move forward they have to just accept that about each other.

Finally, I really loved this "And, in our own stupid, emotionally stunted way, we did manage to give you some time. A whole year."

Also loved the twist that it was Karen’s false alarm that got them talking.

And I could go on and on - there is so much to love about this. Their banter and intimacy with each other is just captured perfectly.

So great! Thank you, thank you for writing this!

Author's Response: You know, zee, the more I worked on this, the more I realized that there wasn\'t a huge difference between the basics of how Pam and Jim behaved in S2/S3. Pam kidded herself with Roy, Jim kidded himself with Karen, they both did a lot of lying (or at least omitting), and they didn\'t speak up when they should/could have. I\'m glad that this line of thinking came through in my story. Also, I think Pam could let Jim go more easily because, well, she\'s more comfortable with disappointment than he is. I also think she\'s better at talking herself out of things. I think that\'s actually a really important part of her character and something that she\'s working on getting past. Thank you so much for your wonderful, thorough review!

Spectrum by callisto Rated: T [Reviews - 113] 57
Summary: Past Featured StoryA colorful look at the evolution of Pam and Jim's relationship.
Categories: Jim and Pam, Present, Past, Future
Characters: Jim/Pam
Genres: Angst, Humor, In Stamford, Romance, Weekend, Workdays
Warnings: Adult language, Mild sexual content
Series: None
Chapters: 7 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 14547 Read Count: 39977 ePub Downloads: 9
[Report This] Published: August 14, 2008 Updated: September 04, 2008
Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: August 26, 2008 Title: Chapter 5: midnight blue

Okay, so I've come a little late to this party.  I'm really loving this series.  And so happy to be away from the angsty period. So many things that I loved about this particular chapter:

I love the interaction in the car on the way to the field.  Jim being all sceptical about where they are - they felt almost like a cute old bickering couple.  And I love that Pam won him over in the end when Jim got excited about seeing the moons around jupiter

I especially love this take on Pam. She's the one initiating and planning this adventure; she'd been planning this elaborate prank on Dwight on her own; and that stargazing became a source of comfort and courage in the summer before S3.  My favorite part:

But I was sick of fear and excessive caution ruling my decisions, so I trusted the map and kept going. I was feeling brave then. I thought I was brave about a lot of things that summer, but it turned out my courage kind of came and went. There hadn't been enough for me to call him, tell him how much I missed him. 

And now that I'm finishing this review and have realized how many little things I loved about this, I just want to say how much I appreciate all the details.  On first read, this felt like such a nice, understated piece to me.  But after reading this for a second time, I'm impressed at how much insight and depth you've packed into this sweet little vignette. Great job!

By the way, I'm embarrassed that I've missed the Contact reference. It's been a while, but I've seen that movie at least a dozen times.  (My old roommate owned it.) Hint, please?
 

 

 

 

 



Author's Response: Wow, zeebee, thanks for such an in-depth review. I love when people get specific! It\'s nice to know what resonates. I am also glad the angsty period is past. I was missing writing their dialogue/interaction (gee, did it show?). And I definitely envision them having those kinds of friendly-bickering conversations like in the car...I really enjoyed writing that, actually. Pam taking charge has been something I\'ve enjoyed exploring too, and she proved with the CIA prank that she still enjoyed messing with Dwight even when Jim was gone. Anyway, thank you for all the great comments! I love it! p.s. Contact is one of my favorite movies, especially Ellie Arroway, the heroine. :)

Reviewer: zeebee Signed
Date: September 04, 2008 Title: Chapter 7: african violet

Callisto:

 I've been meaning to review your last chapter (which I will soon), but since you've already posted this one, I'll just say that this was really nice and I think it makes for a very satisfying end to this series.  The concept of "coming home" is so perfect in terms of their relationship.

Thanks so much for writing and sharing this with us.  I hope that you'll still be able to find time to write some more.

Good luck with grad school!



Author's Response: Hey zeebee! Thanks. I appreciate all your reviews so much. I loved the \'coming home\' concept, so I\'m glad it resonated with you. And I\'m sure I\'ll find time to sneak back over here. I have lots of undeveloped ideas I could play with in my free time...such as it is. :)